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After my last journal, multiple people have told me that I hate religious people and religions. First, I'd like to contend the charge of hate. "Hatred (or hate) is a deep and emotional extreme dislike that can be directed against individuals, entities, objects or ideas." My strong dislike for faith is not emotional in nature. I have good reasons for holding the opinions I hold. Unquestionably believing things which are not falsifiable is a recipe for disaster.

But don't I select the absolute WORST of the religious folk for my journals which represent a tiny minority? Most Christians and Muslims really don't beat their kids for not reading the Bible, or the Koran. That's obvious true, but entirely besides the point.

My argument has always been that the majority of moderates who self-identify as members of certain religions are good not because of their religion, but in large part despite it. The majority of modern Christians would be stoned to death in the days of the Old Testament, or would not be considered Christians by Christ himself. Christ was an eccentric character, some of his teachings being completely nonsensical. Did the majority of Christians in the United States say that they should "turn the other cheek" after the Sep 11 attacks? While they may pay lip service to Christ, nobody said that. Instead, we all know what happened - and no Christian spoke out. Hypocrisy.

What of Christ's explicit instruction against organized religion (Matthew 6:5)? How many so-called Christians today are willing to pay EVEN lip service to this idea? None that I've ever met, although I'm sure there is a small minority out there. Hypocrisy.

Why am I "targeting" Christianity? First, because I'm quite familiar with the bible. Second, because it's very common.

But while Christians just love to hide behind the "oh, it's Old Testament since Jesus came it no longer applies" (even though Christ himself specifically said that this is not case) type of argument, Muslims have no such excuse. Indeed, some things they tend to believe are so stupid and crazy (in my not so humble opinion) that it surpasses the Koran. It's silly regardless of whether it's in the Koran or not, since the source has no effect on the validity of the argument.

The widely accepted penalty for apostasy under sharia (Islamic law) is death. This is not a minority opinion that some crazy Wahhabi's, who want to blow themselves up for 72 virgins in heaven, hold. The vastly minority opinion, indeed, is that it should not be punishable by death. So let's do it right now, and become worthy of death in the opinions of 1 billion adherents of the Religion of Peace :icondrumrollemoteplz:

How to become worthy of death in 30 seconds to 1 billion people without doing anything wrong

I bear witness that there is no God except Allah and Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger. Wait, what's that? Muhammad is a pedophile who had sex with a nine year old girl? Shit, I can't have him as my role model. A Muslim no more!

And now, assuming that you actually forced yourself to believe the declaration of faith momentarily, you are worthy of death according to the vast majority of Muslims (and Islamic scholars) in the world - wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_A…


For almost 1,400 years, the punishment for apostasy has been death. Only recently has this been challenged, mainly by Islamic apologists in the West. A Pew poll released on December 2, 2010, found that even today "The majority of Muslims would favor changing current laws in their countries to "allow stoning as punishment for adultery, hand amputation for theft, and death for those who convert from Islam as their religion".[18][19]
To give you an idea of the kind of figures we're dealing with, we'll use Pakistan as an example; the 2010 poll found that 76% of Pakistanis agree apostates are to be killed. In a country with a population of 172,800,000[20] (96% of whom are Muslim)[21] that would be 126,074,880 individuals in a single country. Conversely only a mere 13% of Muslims opposed killing apostates. If we are to assume the politically-correct position that, Muslims who espouse such views are extremists who misunderstand the 'peaceful' teachings of Islam, then we must also concede the fact that the majority of Muslims in the world are extremists. They are not simply a 'fringe group'.


It's an indisputable fact that the mainstream view in Islam is that changing your mind on the subject of god is punishable by death. That's the true spirit of peace :D

For comparison, do you know what the punishment under my lack of faith is for changing your mind on the subject of god, and becoming a Muslim? It's a choice between point and laugh & face palm and shrug. How hateful and intolerant :(

1 billion people say that Muslims who renounce their faith to become Christians should be killed. Truly, me saying this proves without any doubt that I HATE both Muslims and Christians according to the logic of some people who comment on my journals.
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JadasArtVision Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
I got to say you have some guts posting these strong opinions in your journals and I applaud you for it! :clap: Love reading your journals.
My best friend is buddist and I'm atheist. We have discussions about all the contradictions in Christianity all the time. She doesn't know a lot about it and the other day she asked me who was Jesus's mother. It was so funny! :) I said "Mary, you know Saint Mary." She said "No it can't be her because she's the Virgin Mary." So I had to tell her the whole story of christmas and how God "miraculously got Mary pregnant with his son. She was like "No Jada, that's not how biology works!" We were laughing so hard!
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Deadmenkil Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
One thing I would like to say is thank you Ivan for restoring my faith for it was certainly waning but you fulfill every scripture I have ever read about some men hating religion for no reason and the truth not being revealed to all.
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bobcat303 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
haha amen!
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Deadmenkil Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
this was very funny in many ways but i see that you only have a limited knowledge of the many forms of Christianity.
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30stmLUVER Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
any one who gets angry at this is really stupid. I respect you a lot because you talk about religion all of the time freely, and people should be able to accept what you think and what you believe. 100 points to you!
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unlimited-flight Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Student Writer
acceptance at different beliefs can be done, but you have to be respectful about yours and others' opinions. that goes for whatever side you're on. talking about religion freely is awesome, but it shouldn't be insulting
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bobcat303 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
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bobcat303 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I think I respect you more. I live in a Christian family. All your journals were indeed rude in nature, but at least I can understand you better as to why you always attack these religions. I agree, Christians are supposed to be forgiving, according to their beliefs. That's what Christ preached about.
The belief has become little more than custom to many Americans and the like. Thousands of years has evolved this religion to something completely...remote from people. There are so few people who are selfless ennough to look past the "oh hey imma go to heaven" mindset.

The 9/11 attack is a good demonstration of this. People do make mistakes, but where have the forgiving voices gone to?

As for your opinion on all religion being bogus, that's your thought. People don't have to agree with you, but I do find myself, again, respecting you more because you, as of late, provide an explanation for your easily-assumed-to-be mocking and rude behavior (which pretty much prevails in all your journals?). It proves that you are not simply a bored asshole looking for arguments. People like that are by far the most difficult to respect in all cases.
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unlimited-flight Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Writer
apostasy is not punishable by death under Islam. I can't say anything about what Muslims say they believe, but it's clearly not allowed in the Quran and Hadith.

"Muhammad is a pedophile who had sex with a nine year old girl?"

nope. that's an unreliable hadith. others have explained this better than I have.
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even if you do have many Muslims endorsing intolerance and whatnot, if it's still clearly spelled out in the Quran and Hadith then they're wrong.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Photographer
| apostasy is not punishable by death under Islam

Tell that to the majority of the Muslims in the world. It is punishable by death as a matter of fact.

The funny thing is again the low standard you set for your faith. A normal, humane, thing would be to have an explicit statement of tolerance, such as "If someone doesn't want to be a Muslim any more, let them go in peace and let god be their judge."

I read the justifications and discussions on the topic - [link] - and the facts back me up. What have you got?

| nope. that's an unreliable hadith

All hearsay from a thousand years ago is unreliable.

Who cares anyway? Unlike killing for apostasy, pedophilia is endored by the Koran - [link]

That's why it's practiced in Islamic countries.

| if it's still clearly spelled out in the Quran and Hadith then they're wrong.

Then you can easily prove it to them, right?
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