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After my last journal, multiple people have told me that I hate religious people and religions. First, I'd like to contend the charge of hate. "Hatred (or hate) is a deep and emotional extreme dislike that can be directed against individuals, entities, objects or ideas." My strong dislike for faith is not emotional in nature. I have good reasons for holding the opinions I hold. Unquestionably believing things which are not falsifiable is a recipe for disaster.

But don't I select the absolute WORST of the religious folk for my journals which represent a tiny minority? Most Christians and Muslims really don't beat their kids for not reading the Bible, or the Koran. That's obvious true, but entirely besides the point.

My argument has always been that the majority of moderates who self-identify as members of certain religions are good not because of their religion, but in large part despite it. The majority of modern Christians would be stoned to death in the days of the Old Testament, or would not be considered Christians by Christ himself. Christ was an eccentric character, some of his teachings being completely nonsensical. Did the majority of Christians in the United States say that they should "turn the other cheek" after the Sep 11 attacks? While they may pay lip service to Christ, nobody said that. Instead, we all know what happened - and no Christian spoke out. Hypocrisy.

What of Christ's explicit instruction against organized religion (Matthew 6:5)? How many so-called Christians today are willing to pay EVEN lip service to this idea? None that I've ever met, although I'm sure there is a small minority out there. Hypocrisy.

Why am I "targeting" Christianity? First, because I'm quite familiar with the bible. Second, because it's very common.

But while Christians just love to hide behind the "oh, it's Old Testament since Jesus came it no longer applies" (even though Christ himself specifically said that this is not case) type of argument, Muslims have no such excuse. Indeed, some things they tend to believe are so stupid and crazy (in my not so humble opinion) that it surpasses the Koran. It's silly regardless of whether it's in the Koran or not, since the source has no effect on the validity of the argument.

The widely accepted penalty for apostasy under sharia (Islamic law) is death. This is not a minority opinion that some crazy Wahhabi's, who want to blow themselves up for 72 virgins in heaven, hold. The vastly minority opinion, indeed, is that it should not be punishable by death. So let's do it right now, and become worthy of death in the opinions of 1 billion adherents of the Religion of Peace :icondrumrollemoteplz:

How to become worthy of death in 30 seconds to 1 billion people without doing anything wrong

I bear witness that there is no God except Allah and Muhammad (SAW) is His messenger. Wait, what's that? Muhammad is a pedophile who had sex with a nine year old girl? Shit, I can't have him as my role model. A Muslim no more!

And now, assuming that you actually forced yourself to believe the declaration of faith momentarily, you are worthy of death according to the vast majority of Muslims (and Islamic scholars) in the world - wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_A…


For almost 1,400 years, the punishment for apostasy has been death. Only recently has this been challenged, mainly by Islamic apologists in the West. A Pew poll released on December 2, 2010, found that even today "The majority of Muslims would favor changing current laws in their countries to "allow stoning as punishment for adultery, hand amputation for theft, and death for those who convert from Islam as their religion".[18][19]
To give you an idea of the kind of figures we're dealing with, we'll use Pakistan as an example; the 2010 poll found that 76% of Pakistanis agree apostates are to be killed. In a country with a population of 172,800,000[20] (96% of whom are Muslim)[21] that would be 126,074,880 individuals in a single country. Conversely only a mere 13% of Muslims opposed killing apostates. If we are to assume the politically-correct position that, Muslims who espouse such views are extremists who misunderstand the 'peaceful' teachings of Islam, then we must also concede the fact that the majority of Muslims in the world are extremists. They are not simply a 'fringe group'.


It's an indisputable fact that the mainstream view in Islam is that changing your mind on the subject of god is punishable by death. That's the true spirit of peace :D

For comparison, do you know what the punishment under my lack of faith is for changing your mind on the subject of god, and becoming a Muslim? It's a choice between point and laugh & face palm and shrug. How hateful and intolerant :(

1 billion people say that Muslims who renounce their faith to become Christians should be killed. Truly, me saying this proves without any doubt that I HATE both Muslims and Christians according to the logic of some people who comment on my journals.
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JadasArtVision Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I got to say you have some guts posting these strong opinions in your journals and I applaud you for it! :clap: Love reading your journals.
My best friend is buddist and I'm atheist. We have discussions about all the contradictions in Christianity all the time. She doesn't know a lot about it and the other day she asked me who was Jesus's mother. It was so funny! :) I said "Mary, you know Saint Mary." She said "No it can't be her because she's the Virgin Mary." So I had to tell her the whole story of christmas and how God "miraculously got Mary pregnant with his son. She was like "No Jada, that's not how biology works!" We were laughing so hard!
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Deadmenkil Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
One thing I would like to say is thank you Ivan for restoring my faith for it was certainly waning but you fulfill every scripture I have ever read about some men hating religion for no reason and the truth not being revealed to all.
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bobcat303 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
haha amen!
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Deadmenkil Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
this was very funny in many ways but i see that you only have a limited knowledge of the many forms of Christianity.
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30stmLUVER Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
any one who gets angry at this is really stupid. I respect you a lot because you talk about religion all of the time freely, and people should be able to accept what you think and what you believe. 100 points to you!
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unlimited-flight Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Student Writer
acceptance at different beliefs can be done, but you have to be respectful about yours and others' opinions. that goes for whatever side you're on. talking about religion freely is awesome, but it shouldn't be insulting
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bobcat303 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
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bobcat303 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I think I respect you more. I live in a Christian family. All your journals were indeed rude in nature, but at least I can understand you better as to why you always attack these religions. I agree, Christians are supposed to be forgiving, according to their beliefs. That's what Christ preached about.
The belief has become little more than custom to many Americans and the like. Thousands of years has evolved this religion to something completely...remote from people. There are so few people who are selfless ennough to look past the "oh hey imma go to heaven" mindset.

The 9/11 attack is a good demonstration of this. People do make mistakes, but where have the forgiving voices gone to?

As for your opinion on all religion being bogus, that's your thought. People don't have to agree with you, but I do find myself, again, respecting you more because you, as of late, provide an explanation for your easily-assumed-to-be mocking and rude behavior (which pretty much prevails in all your journals?). It proves that you are not simply a bored asshole looking for arguments. People like that are by far the most difficult to respect in all cases.
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unlimited-flight Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Writer
apostasy is not punishable by death under Islam. I can't say anything about what Muslims say they believe, but it's clearly not allowed in the Quran and Hadith.

"Muhammad is a pedophile who had sex with a nine year old girl?"

nope. that's an unreliable hadith. others have explained this better than I have.
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even if you do have many Muslims endorsing intolerance and whatnot, if it's still clearly spelled out in the Quran and Hadith then they're wrong.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
| apostasy is not punishable by death under Islam

Tell that to the majority of the Muslims in the world. It is punishable by death as a matter of fact.

The funny thing is again the low standard you set for your faith. A normal, humane, thing would be to have an explicit statement of tolerance, such as "If someone doesn't want to be a Muslim any more, let them go in peace and let god be their judge."

I read the justifications and discussions on the topic - [link] - and the facts back me up. What have you got?

| nope. that's an unreliable hadith

All hearsay from a thousand years ago is unreliable.

Who cares anyway? Unlike killing for apostasy, pedophilia is endored by the Koran - [link]

That's why it's practiced in Islamic countries.

| if it's still clearly spelled out in the Quran and Hadith then they're wrong.

Then you can easily prove it to them, right?
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unlimited-flight Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Student Writer
"A normal, humane, thing would be to have an explicit statement of tolerance, such as 'If someone doesn't want to be a Muslim any more, let them go in peace and let god be their judge.'"

I didn't say anything contrary to that :/ that's what I believe.

regarding apostasy, there's Surah Al Kafiroon for one thing.
concerning the Ridda wars, different sects of Islam see it differently, and either way, no Muslims considers Abu Bakr (AS) to have been perfect. he was voted the leader, people revolted against him, and he shut them down. that's what most leaders do.


concerning pedophilia and the Quran 33:49: "And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease."
there are girls "who have not menstruated" until they are in their 20's, and there are girls who never have periods due to certain illness (e.g. Turner syndrome, other hormone imbalances, a lot of vigorous exercise, etc.). the Quran is providing direction for all cases.


things being practiced in "Islamic" countries and "Muslims" agreeing doesn't define Islam. from the time of Muhammad (SAW), there have been "Muslims" who have been trying to legitimize what they do as "Islamic." just look at Yazid and the Karbala.

anything else?
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
| I didn't say anything contrary to that :/ that's what I believe.

So where is that in the Koran? Nowhere, of course. In fact, blasphemy is punishable by what?

| there are girls "who have not menstruated" until they are in their 20's, and there are girls who never have periods due to certain illness (e.g. Turner syndrome, other hormone imbalances, a lot of vigorous exercise, etc.). the Quran is providing direction for all cases.

So then, according to your logic, that covers young girls also? Because they are certainly covered by this affirmation and not excluded elsewhere.
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unlimited-flight Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Student Writer
"So where is that in the Koran? Nowhere, of course. In fact, blasphemy is punishable by what?"

it's in Surah Al Kafiroon. that chapter covers how there is no compulsion in religion

"So then, according to your logic, that covers young girls also? Because they are certainly covered by this affirmation and not excluded elsewhere."

I suppose the conclusion would then be that there is no minimum age for marriage explicitly stated in Islam, but it says that people should marry only once they've become mature enough.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
| it's in Surah Al Kafiroon. that chapter covers how there is no compulsion in religion

Except if you become a Muslim and then you want to quit.

Still, there is compulsion. If I go to Pakistan and say shit about Muhammad, what will happen to me?

| I suppose the conclusion would then be that there is no minimum age for marriage explicitly stated in Islam

Would you consider that to be a shortcoming? Because I do.
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unlimited-flight Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Student Writer
"Except if you become a Muslim and then you want to quit.

Still, there is compulsion. If I go to Pakistan and say shit about Muhammad, what will happen to me?"

None of that is stated in Islam. I'm defining Islam by Muhammad's (SAW) life and the Quran. anything that Muslims do that goes outside of it is considered radical, not to mention wrong. it tells you in the Quran and Hadith NOT to force religion on people or punish them for converting.

if Pakistanis attack you for openly disagreeing with Islam, they are going AGAINST Surah Al-Kafiroon

The misconception about killing converts stemmed from this verse: "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them" (4:89)

for one thing, things are being taken out of context

this bit of the Quran comes from wartime, and a renegade can also mean one who has changed allegiance or betrayed their country, which can be interpreted as someone who has started fighting for the other side during war time, not just someone who changed their mind about religion- I personally am not an expert on Arabic, but another translation of the same verse is, "They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."

more importantly though, the following verse provides more context: "Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them." (4:90)


give me a verse that actually tells Muslims to actually use violence to force Islam onto people. the people in Pakistan, like many Muslims, don't actually research or go out to learn about the Quran. the norm is that they're parents tell them "this is what Islam says" and they just reply "okay." people are honoring culture over religion. you can't look at people and say "this is what their religion says," because people are complicated. they are more than just a member of that religion.



"Would you consider that to be a shortcoming? Because I do."

different people mature at different ages, and forced marriage is absolutely 100% not allowed. in this case, why shouldn't people make their own judgments.

my reply was based on your comment that pedophilia is endorsed by the Quran. evidently that's not the case. there is no age restriction in place for men or women, and there is nothing that is encouraging the marriage of old men with young women (or vice versa).
it's not widely practiced in Arab countries, because Islam encourages it or says that it's okay. a lot of backwards practices in Arab countries date back long before Islam was introduced to the region. Islam also says not to force your religion onto others, that forced marriage isn't allowed, that rape victims aren't supposed to be punished, that you're not allowed to kill innocent people, etc. the ones who follow the backwards traditions don't bother learning about Islam, they do what their ancestors did and said was alright, and they certainly aren't interested in what Islam has to say.
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hirsch-hirsch Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012   Traditional Artist
Well, I don't think there's a particular point to hating any religion "actively" and getting too pissed off by them, simply because there's so many people who will still believe some utter shit and carry on with idiotic habits written in a book (sometimes not even written anywhere but just made up) and there's nothing you can do to change it. If you can't - why care? ;) I mean, I believe in the freedom of speech and expressing one's opinion and I think if the atheists do justify their views and express them while backing them up with solid arguments (as opposite to 99% of religious beliefs), they can make at least some people stop and actually think - which is very important. But then, letting the religious people see your hatred, agression and contempt will only put the gun in their hands - they'll go and accuse you of being hateful just for the sake of being hateful and won't even allow themselves to think your views might actually be quite right. I'm not trying to insist that your entries are hateful and that you hate all the religions - it's a strong word - I'm adhereing more to the general trend. :)
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Falcolf Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Well written. :) I enjoy your journals IvanAdreevich!
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veinne Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I have to agree that you make an excellent point here. And you dropped off the sarcasm. :D

Seriously, changing your religion is punishable by death? Utter crap. Most people's religion are decided by their parents' religion, and the time and place they were born. It is sad to say that in many Muslim countries, it's illegal for Muslims to switch religion. I've also recently been informed that it's illegal to not have religion. D: I mean, what crap? I'm okay with whatever religions other people have, but the government can't just force religions on people like that. :(

On another note, this journal made infinitely more sense to me than your previous one, so cheers.
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vindurriel Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Religion or spiritual matter is not falsifiable. Hence you can't expect to convince religious people by pure rational thinking.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
That's true, but that's the only kind of argument I can make. I don't want to appeal to emotion, use logical fallacies, or other things of that sort.
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Deadmenkil Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"I don't want to appeal to emotion, use logical fallacies, or other things of that sort."
And yet you do every time.
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vindurriel Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
But you did appealed to emotion, in many ways. For one thing the sensational title and statement, for another the drumrolling emoj (see, emotion!). As for the controversial poll result in Pakistan, there are more than one way to interpret it. As you have mentioned in some reply earlier, compared to modern Christianity, Muslim is more inseparable to governmental dominance and racial tradition. Apostatsy in country like Pakistan is tantamount to traison or rebelion, which is punishable by death in most countries and cultures.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
| For one thing the sensational title and statement

Bullshit, it's accurate.

| As for the controversial poll result in Pakistan, there are more than one way to interpret it

Oh?

| Apostatsy in country like Pakistan is tantamount to traison or rebelion

No. They have that dreamt up crime also.
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vindurriel Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
All I'm saying is in the case of Islam(or maybe other religions as well), it's hard to discuss the influence of religion regardless of political and social backgrounds. In country like the USA religions are like hotels, easy for individuals to check in and out, but not quite so in Pakistan, North Korea maybe. There people are expected to get killed for apostasy.
My understanding is that you are targeting at hypocrisy rather than religion. Well, why not aim wilder? Communism as a religion, eh? That could get you rants from China.
But just remember it's an art site.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
| it's hard to discuss the influence of religion regardless of political and social backgrounds.

In the case of Islam - impossible, because it's supposed to encompass all areas of life. The idea of apostasy is impossible without religion, did that occur to you?

| My understanding is that you are targeting at hypocrisy rather than religion. Well, why not aim wilder?

I will, and I do.

| Communism as a religion, eh? That could get you rants from China.

It's not a religion, it's another irrational ideology. China is not communist at all.
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vindurriel Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
|The idea of apostasy is impossible without religion, did that occur to you?

No, I've hardly met any believers at all. Most chinese people are athiests officially.

|It's not a religion, it's another irrational ideology.

I'm refering to the similarity of communism to religion. It serves the reign. It demands individual sacrifices in exchange for prosperity and happiness in another life or generation. And it's against all (other) religions, depicting god worshipers as mental distorted.

|China is not communist at all.

Financially not. Politically the Party redefined and moderated communism, emphasizing on prosperity and international influence. That's typical of Chinese: we swallow aggressive ideologies and detoxicate them into harmless forms. A lot of hypocrisy it involves to tolerating contradictory elements, but that helps to get things done, from where I come from.
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jay-villneff Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
IN CLOSING, I'M SORRY YOU WERE FACE PALMED AND LAUGHED AT DUE TO CHANGING YOUR BELIEFS TO BECOME A MUSLIM. AND IT'S TOO BAD PEOPLE DIE FOR CHANGING THEIR FAITH FROM MUSLIM TO OTHER. BUT DO NOT TAKE IT OUT ON OTHERS!

FORGIVE, AND MOVE FORWARD.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
| I'M SORRY YOU WERE FACE PALMED AND LAUGHED AT DUE TO CHANGING YOUR BELIEFS TO BECOME A MUSLIM

I think you may have a slight reading comprehension problem :)
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jay-villneff Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
i am actually quite well read. but maybe i did read your thing abit fast. as well, you claim to know the bible, but do you sit there and actually discuss the bible with many types of people? each verse can be interpreted many different ways. it's all about the individual. it's unfortunate you see nothing but hate. as well, your journals don't make me nervous, but angry, as it's tough enough for people to live their lives and here you are promoting hate on a site that is used by many to relax after work or school as a way to escape the day. No one comes here to read bashing, or whatnot. I can relate to venting if artwork is stolen, etc. but not religious bashing. It seems you've been quite angry at God since your dog got seriously hurt. I'm sorry he got hurt. But it does not give you the right to bash people. I choose not to turn off journals, as they are a way to see who an artist is, and i'm seeing nothing but someone whom needs to forgive, find peace, and move forward.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
| it's unfortunate you see nothing but hate.

OK, help me out to interpret this verse to see love -

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

I see only hate here.

| as it's tough enough for people to live their lives and here you are promoting hate

Nonsense.

| It seems you've been quite angry at God since your dog got seriously hurt. I'm sorry he got hurt.

I don't own a dog, and never have. Just FYI.
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Deadmenkil Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
none of that scripture is hate for in that time period they surely would be put to death. The scripture does not say who is putting them to death does it?
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
Obviously whoever believes the scripture to be true, as it's god's command.
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Deadmenkil Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It is not a command at all it merely states that they will be put to death. It could just be locals from that time period who might not even be religious.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
This is the dumbest apology I've ever heard.

"Thou shalt not kill" - who is thou exactly? It's just talking to someone who could have been there at the time. Muahahaha.
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jay-villneff Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
well, if u support gay people, than that is your choice. i have nothing against them.

As well, you wrote about a dog FYI. FYI is so teenager....

In closing, it is tough enough for people to live their lives without hate, and u are promoting it, by bashing religion. go down to vancouver's east side, or north korea, and see how people suffer....
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
| well, if u support gay people, than that is your choice. i have nothing against them.

That was not my question. You said I see hate, but I'm interpreting it wrong.

I think that killing people because they are gay is hateful. You don't think so?

| As well, you wrote about a dog

Oh yeah, my dog. My imaginary dog. You imagined it for me, but I never wrote about it, since you haven't told me until your previous post.
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jay-villneff Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
ok - here's journal link about dog - [link]

Also, i agree with not killing people because they are gay.

now, i just find u see hate in religion. not in general. but u do focus on hate alot.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
That's not my dog. As a matter of fact, the dog is better now - why would I be upset? I'm happy. Remember, I don't think god exists so there is no event which can make me feel mad at god.

| Also, i agree with not killing people because they are gay.

Are you able to comprehend WHAT I am asking you?

You said that I interpret the verses incorrectly. The bible says to KILL GAY PEOPLE, and that's hateful. You interpret that one correctly for me, or just admit that the bible is a hateful book.
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jay-villneff Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think it's too bad that you dislike both muslims and christians and yet are willing to bash and bash. I'm surprised you did not reply to my comments on your earlier journal. i've waited for a reply.

Oh course this is my own opinion, not because I'm a christian, who's willing to talk to many others, as i try hard not to judge. I do believe in justice, but do I agree with invasion of countries? no - but i do appreciate the work canadians have done in helping the afghan civilians, or when UN peacekeepers helped both sides in the war in bosnia.

Now, the US government chose to go to Iraq, and Afghanistan. Afghanistan I believe was needed unlike Iraq, as Osama Bin Laden needed to answer for his crimes as did the Taliban authority and Al Queda. Though if the Americans had invested in Afghanistan after the soviet invasion and helped stabilize the region, I believe 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

I think sometimes countries on their own need to deal with their problems, but in times of great need, and when people are being persecuted and such, we need to take a stand. Alas, many times governments have not. For example, British Intelligence and American officials knew tonnes about what was going to happen to the Jews of Germany, and yet did nothing. They even turned refugees away.

There are many examples of mistakes, messed up situations, and whatnot in history. AS WELL, you have belittled those whom protested the war of Iraq and Afghanistan, and those mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters whom have understood what their children or relatives chose to do to serve their country. I have seen many sad parents in my own community whom have lost their children whom served to help the civilians of Afghanistan. My community is in Ontario, Canada.

NOW I WILL SAY THIS - JUST BECAUSE ONE PERSON SCREWS UP, DOES NOT MEAN CHRISTIANS, JEWS, MUSLIMS, ETC. ARE BAD BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEFS. I PERSONALLY CHALLENGE YOU TO REPLY TO MY PREVIOUS POSTS, AND TO THIS ONE.

I'M FED UP WITH BEING BASHED BECAUSE OF MY BELIEFS. I HAVE MANY GOOD CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, AND I HAVE MET SOME BAD ONES, AND HAVE INTERACTED WITH MANY GOOD PEOPLES OF DIFFERENT FAITHS IN DIFFERENT CHURCHES AND SETTINGS!

This is my venting. I get persecuted because of my aspergers, and yet have to put up with a deviant whom just loves to bash religion yet does amazing photography.

NOT EVERYONE IS THE SAME!!!!!!!!!! GET IT INTO YOUR THICK HEAD!!!!!
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
| JUST BECAUSE ONE PERSON SCREWS UP, DOES NOT MEAN CHRISTIANS, JEWS, MUSLIMS, ETC. ARE BAD BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEFS

Of course not.

| I PERSONALLY CHALLENGE YOU TO REPLY TO MY PREVIOUS POSTS, AND TO THIS ONE.

Sorry, I didn't see your previous posts.

| HAVE MANY GOOD CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, AND I HAVE MET SOME BAD ONES, AND HAVE INTERACTED WITH MANY GOOD PEOPLES OF DIFFERENT FAITHS IN DIFFERENT CHURCHES AND SETTINGS!

That's not something I dispute.

| I get persecuted because of my aspergers, and yet have to put up with a deviant whom just loves to bash religion yet does amazing photography.

You can just unwatch my journals if they make you so nervous.
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jay-villneff Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
AS WELL THE ONLY REASON AFGHANISTAN OCCURRED IS DUE TO THE TALIBAN GOVERNMENT NOT SURRENDING OSAMA BIN LADEN AND THEIR MURDERING OF CIVILIANS WHOM STOOD AGAINST THEM. NOW IRAQ, I GUESS WAS A MIXED UP SITUATION AND WHOM KNOWS WHY AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY INVADED.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
No, that's not the only reason it occurred, and definitely not a sufficient reason to be at war for a decade.
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Gretgor Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
I comprehend your points, and I actually agree. Sometimes religious people will feel personally offended simply because we bash their ideas, even if we don't make personal attacks directed at them.
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artissx Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student General Artist
I actually agree with everything you say.

I hate religion. I think it's ridiculous magical thinking, brainwashing, and a historal blight on mankind.

What I don't agree with is the online ranting. To me, it's the same thing as a religious fanatic posting blogs about how not being religious is stupid and wrong. It seems like your audience is intended for religious people to read.

I think everyone should let people, and their beliefs, alone.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Should we leave people who beat their children alone too?
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artissx Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Student General Artist
No, we should not.

But those are abusive parents, and we should target all abusive parents, not just abusive parents that use religion as their moral backing.
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Deadmenkil Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
ex0tique said "I actually agree with everything you say." and "I hate religion." You did not disagree with them and you referenced one of your earlier journals by asking "Should we leave people who beat their children alone too?" So apparently you do hate religion and are the biggest hypocrite i have ever seen.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
Everything I said is not a necessary or sufficient condition for hating religion. Someone who hates gays, fairies, or loves jazz can agree with everything I said. What does that say about my position on those subjects? A very obvious non sequitur.
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Deadmenkil Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I just presented quotes from both you and another person in which you agree to hating religion though you deny it in other statements. Also i do not believe your reply makes total sense.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
You don't understand what necessary and sufficient conditions are. You don't understand logic. I didn't agree to hating religion above.
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