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I keep hearing from people that I should be impressed with what Jesus did, and be grateful to him. Even if we assume that it's true, I'm not impressed.

1) He knew he would be resurrected after 3 days. Why would you be afraid of dying very much under such circumstances? I wouldn't be.

2) He sacrificed himself to himself so that he could forgive. Why not save a step, and just forgive? There is no reason for an innocent person to suffer - it doesn't make the situation any better. Human sacrifice does not work. If you think it does, well you are a Christian.

3) He knew that he would spend an eternity in heaven after a day of suffering on the cross. The physical pain he felt is not very much compared to someone dying from cancer or hunger - and neither do those people have a choice in the matter. Also, any person in hell endures infinitely more physical suffering than Jesus did. They also aren't glorified for their suffering like a.. :p

4) He wanted to be crucified, indeed that was his plan to begin with. It's not as if he wanted any other outcome at all. Would you feel sorry for a masochist who hurts himself on purpose if he's got the ability to avoid the pain altogether?

5) Punishing an innocent person does not absolve the sins of the guilty - especially those haven't even been born. That's a sick and twisted idea of justice. It's also silly to consider them guilty for something someone else had done, but that's another topic.

Merry Christmas :D
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Niki-Ray Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Good words
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TamiTw Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I asked this question when I attended church one day, and the priest said that the crucifixion is to remind us of what God and Jesus has done for us. It is a symbol of forgiveness where God, sacrificed his own son for the cruelty of man here on earth. It is to prove the miracle of his resurrection and the degree of love he feels for us (his children). So I guess if it was a statue of Jesus with open arms and flowers around him, it would just be beautiful but the impact will be smaller. Whereas, him on the crucifix is a reminder of the pain and suffering he went through. Despite knowing that he will be reunited with his father and that he will resurrect and ascend into heaven, he still went through with the torture and during the process, he kept begging :" Father, please forgive them". Instead of yelling them to stop or just committing suicide or asking his apostles to give him a fast death for a quick entry into heaven. Therefore, I believe that the punishment implemented on Jesus by the Romans are the metaphor for man being out of control- where apparently God created man in their purest form and free from sin. But man in their nature developed evil and personalities exhbiting unfavourable characteristics. They did not have faith nor believed that Jesus was a miracle and God's son, so in order to prove that he is real etc, Jesus had to be tortured and killed. (God did not make this happen, but foresaw it and even told Jesus. That is why Jesus had the last supper, it was to spend time with his loved ones and prepare for the crucifixion, rather than flea-ing like how most people would if they knew they would go through the torture.

That is just my point of view. I am a Roman Catholic, and I do have faith. But I contradict my religion a bit because I think there is only one god but he comes in many different forms. It all comes down to what an individual believes. Religion is all part and parcel of faith, hope and something to turn to in fear of death/after life, pain etc. So sometimes asking too many questions (like I do) usually ends up with heated conversations with TRUE believers or it just makes you confused, frustrated and lost. So it is best to sink into the religion with which you are comfortable with :)

Sorry for the lengthy response! Take care !
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bitteryetsweet Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
And now you're officially cool to me. Happy early birthday, just in case I miss it.
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SteveFox00 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
Bless you and your rational thoughts and people like you :iconlinkhappyplz:

May I ask how come your name is Ivan Andreevich?
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional Photographer
What do you mean? :D
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SteveFox00 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
Well it's not very common for Canadians to have Slavic names. :)
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Professional Photographer
I was born in Russia. I'm not Canadian, I just live here.
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SteveFox00 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
Oh, that's nice. :)
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imke14 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
For today's weather, a high chance of shitstorm with logic coming from East.


I love the Marry Christmas at the end xD
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TheArtisticGenius Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I do partially agree with your fifth point there. If our sins are forgiven, does that mean that if we went and did something horrible and came back and said that Jesus is god or whatever, sins are forgiven?
And I have never heard of an instance in which an innocent person could be punished for another's sin. And if Jesus died for our sins, then why did he die? God doesn't die. If Jesus is our Lord, how does that make sense? God can't be a human who died.

And dying to forgive all of humanity doesn't make sense either, why can't he just forgive the people if they just pray or such? In Islam, Allah is all forgiving, but is very just at the same time. One person dying to forgive all of humanity doesn't balance out, though, in Christianity's example.

If anyone is Christian here and wants to reply back, feel free to do so. I'm open to conversations.

Salaam. :)
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