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Must-watch: youtu.be/VWAUhadJzTk

Optional: youtu.be/NuJoC7Lz6SI and youtu.be/QjhFlI6-ZBI

Now, these were obviously meant to be funny. Yet, they are factually accurate. I invite anyone who wishes to argue how these videos misrepresent what the majority of Christians regard as the foundation of their faith.

True-Morality by 2Timothy3-16 :D
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A few years ago i was at a seminar being taught by andrew wommack. he was going into depth about this topic and he said that if it was heard and taught correctly you should come to the conclusion "…so doesnt that mean i can do whatever i want?" technically you can but somebody who follows through with that does not have the heart or mindset of a true born again christian. from what ive seen a lot of atheist's are atheist's because of misunderstandings about christianity or not learning about it. those who follow gods word and pursue him start to reflect the intelligence, strength and attitude promised to us by god. And although you have probably heard something like that before a lot of people see it as a sham because of how some christians represent themselves in public. It says in the bible that we will be set apart from the world by how we love. And a lot of christians instead of focusing on god or anything like that verse get stuck on earthly problems.
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keira-n May 18, 2012  Student General Artist
really, you need to get around some real christians sometime... and maybe read the bible for yourself before looking to others to explain it for you.
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IvanAndreevich May 18, 2012  Professional Photographer
I've read the bible.

Do you have something SPECIFIC you can disagree with?
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keira-n May 18, 2012  Student General Artist
it misses the whole point is all. all you need to do to go to heaven is accept jesus as lord and saviour (as is stated under one of those videos)? that is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard. (then it went onto say 'are you good? bad?', which is again ridiculous, because you'd have to be perfect and without sin to go to heaven. there is not one 'good' person --> Romans 3:10, Romans 3:23.) humans came up with all this "good and bad" stuff. everyone has some sort of 'scale' of how good or bad someone is. by god's standards though, our 'good' isn't good enough (isn't even on his scale). there's really, just no such thing... (even if yes, many christians falsely still believe that you can be saved by 'works', or in other words, paying for your own sins. that's one debt none of us can pay -> Ephesians 2:8-9)

nicodemus was stumped when jesus told him that he had to be 'born again' or 'born from above' to see (experience, be acquainted with) the kindom of god. (i actually imagine him asking jesus - pretty sarcastically - 'so, what am i supposed to do, jesus? it's not like i can climb back into my mother's womb' -> just read John 3)

this stuff works differently than what many would believe. you get to know jesus, really know him, of how much he loves you and can't help but love him back. you want to do what he says - to please him because you love him and for no other reason.

read 2 Corinthians 5:13-21, also. it's some amazing stuff (i urge you to read all this in different versions of the bible - AMP is pretty good)
i cannot really explain these things to you. you can't just 'understand' this, you have to "get" it. i'm no good at theology (if asked, i think i'd actually say i hated it) or any of this explaining stuff - i clearly suck at it.
i don't know... i guess i have to ask you how bad do you want to know about all this? if you truly want to know (understand, find out...), i encourage you to go the the source (and never stop asking questions.) if you want to know god (note: not know of him, but actually know him) i urge you to just give jesus a go. but i'm not talking about a flimsy little try -> i'm saying really live for him. just ask jesus that if he is real, you want to see what he is about - that you don't want to miss out on what he has for you.
if you sincerely go after him, with no false expectations, i don't think you'll be disappointed.
what can you lose? if it doesn't work out, nothing changed, right? but i encourage you to give him a real go. (and don't worry, jesus won't force himself on you, even if some of his followers feel like showing him down your throat ^_^" eheh...)

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oh and this is completely unrelated, but you have some of the most amazing photography i've ever seen :3
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UnendingRivers0Ocean May 9, 2012
I watched the must-watch and I must say the modern judge analogy Christians always try to use never really worked for me. A more proper analogy would be this, and as I said some arguments must have a hint of theology to work sometimes, but a judge has a son who is perfect and has never committed a crime. He tells his son that a rapist is about to be convicted for his crime. The son is an extremely kind and compassionate "people person." He says "a crime has been committed so someone must be punished, but I'll take it. If the rapist accepts my replacement set him free, declare him innocent." Christians usually stop here and say "this is what Jesus did for you" because they don't understand the "gospel". Modern doctrines teach "easy believism", which basically says if you claim to believe in Jesus you're saved. Throughout protestant christian history, it has been declared one is of course saved by faith alone, but people don't realize faith also in the words of God. It is not faith and works, but faith and submission to the "Lordship of Christ". This is an important doctrine that many ignore nowadays, but it was extremely important to the early church. Faith that only by Jesus' death and resurrection you are saved, but now he "owns" you. You're not free to go, you are now his "slave." It's clear in Bible teaching but many ignore it. You're not saved by works, but you sign yourself over to the son of the judge and now you have to listen to his teachings and aim to become perfect like him or you don't really believe and you didn't really accept his terms of the replacement. So the analogy should continue that the judge say "I will declare him innocent if he agrees to be under you study for the rest of his life. He has to agree to become like you and give up his old life of rape, etc. If he doesn't he breaks the agreement. He doesn't have to be perfect but he must obey what you say to his best ability and eventually be changed by you. Are you willing to teach him what you know, son?" The son says yes, and if the man accepts or not is his choice, but faith is not as easy as it sounds. i can't say I believe a book is perfect but one chapter in it is wrong. That's illogical, likewise I can't believe in Jesus but then ignore what he said. It is not some type of metaphysical, romantic faith as people make it, it is a decision. Faith is a decision to give up your old life of crime. And about the eternity in hell thing, I'm in a denomination that explains well why hell is not eternal, but that it is figurative. Eternal punishment as in they will not experience eternity because they are no more, not eternal punishing. Why would they be granted eternal life, even if it is in "torment." Eternal life is promised only to those who believe. I know I sound weird, but I'm speaking strictly theologically and I'm someone willing to learn. That is why I like explaining my beliefs, maybe they can change. I'm a Christian who likes to think and examine my faith, I don't just "believe".
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IvanAndreevich May 9, 2012  Professional Photographer
And you consider the analogy you presented to be morally OK?

Because really, it's impossible to stop sinning even if you truly accept Jesus, right? So the rapist might relapse at some point, but the previous crime can't be reinstated - it has already been forgiven, right?
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UnendingRivers0Ocean May 9, 2012
It can't be morally ok unless you make the son perfect and also, theologically, the son of god is worth more than every human put together so his sacrifice is the only possible one. A perfect man couldn't do it, only a god/man. The Bible says we are forgiven for all sins in our life even after we accept Christ, that's we're the replacement comes in, it already takes care of all sins future, past, and present, that is why it is said by faith not works. I don't know, but if you're talking about double jeopardy I don't think that applies to the analogy since that is a modern court rule, which doesn't really apply. But where theology really comes in, is that many believe that when we get to heaven we won't be able to sin anymore. So no relapse in heaven, because God by our permission will change us so that he will make it our desire to "good." Some say that takes away our free will that's why we have it down here, I guess like this is kind of a rehearsal so to speak.
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krazzyroflmao May 6, 2012  Student General Artist
These people make christians look like complete idiots. [link]

I heard they might be trolls, but some of the things they say makes me want to barf.
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IvanAndreevich May 6, 2012  Professional Photographer
No way. They only make themselves look like idiots. No guilt by association ;)
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krazzyroflmao May 6, 2012  Student General Artist
It is still funny to read their posts.
TF2 = Gay recruitment tool.
Skittels = Toys for gays and turns others gay
Portal = anal rape simulator

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