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Obama killed more children than Adam Lanza by IvanAndreevich Obama killed more children than Adam Lanza by IvanAndreevich
Obama - "Yes, John, go ahead."

John - "Ahem.. Mr. President, you seem to be very touched by the innocent victims of Adam Lanza. Did you also shed a tear for the 38 children that you have killed via drone and cruise missile strikes as part of illegal undeclared wars you've been conducting overseas since the beginning of your presidency? That just happens to be a lot more children than Adam Lanza killed today. Were they the wrong color, or were they in a wrong location to deserve compassion, justice, and sympathy? Would you comment on that?"

Obama - "Uhh.. next question please. Paul, go ahead."

Paul - "Mr. President, according to our research, the corn subsidies you perpetuate in your administration are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths from heart disease and stroke every year. It might not be a sensationalist event like what happened yesterday, but would you be willing to..."

Obama - "Umm.. next question. Wolf, go ahead."

Wolf - "Mr. President, isn't it true that a substantial number of gun violence deaths are a direct result of the failed War on Drugs? Not only here, but in Mexico and South America, this failed policy has killed hundreds of thousands of people - including innocent bystanders - in gang turf war shootouts. Don't you think it's time to..."

Obama - "Next. Bob?"

Bob - "Mr. President, the number of children killed by reckless driving is much higher than those shot by guns. Shouldn't we.."

Obama - "Next."

Bill - "Is it true that more children drown in bath tubs every year than.."

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Obama - "OK, that's enough. Can someone hand me a gun?"
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1980goldclick Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013
The United States government has made hundreds of attacks on targets in northwest Pakistan since 2004 using drones (unmanned aerial vehicles) controlled by the American Central Intelligence Agency's Special Activities Division.Most of these attacks are on targets in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas along the Afghan border in Northwest Pakistan. These strikes were begun by President George W. Bush and have increased substantially under President Barack Obama.Some media refer to the series of attacks as a "drone war".Estimates of those killed in strikes between 2004 and early 2013 range from around 2000 to around 3581; estimates of the proportion of civilian deaths vary dramatically.George W Bush ordered 52 drone strikes during his presidency. Barack Obama has ordered 314+ drone strikes already.
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PrematureInsanity Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Like a new born baby, it just happens everyday.
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extreme-otaku77 Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
Wow, Obama...and to believe that I wanted you to win...
In truth, Obama is not the only President that did this, many other Presidents may have caused the deaths of thousands of children in the world.
This just goes to show you that he is not an exception.

Good job!
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nickeh96 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Congrats for being brave enough to post this.
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Scarletfrost Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, because Obama single-handedly designed, built, and piloted all the unmanned drones and cruise missiles ever deployed during his presidency. The advisers, generals, military commanders, manufacturers, antagonistic political groups, and scumbags who use children as human shields have absolutely nothing to do with this death count.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Photographer
He ordered it as part of an undeclared war conducted single-handedly on the executive order of the president.
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Scarletfrost Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I really think you over estimate the power of the figurehead that sits in the oval office.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Photographer
Not really. The president could end all drone strikes tomorrow if he wanted to.
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Scarletfrost Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And how would he do that?
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Professional Photographer
By revoking the executive order which authorizes the drone strikes.
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Scarletfrost Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You make it sound like he could do that over his morning coffee. Which I highly doubt is the case. You might want to look into the forces that support this. No one in D.C. does anything by themselves, these days.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional Photographer
| You make it sound like he could do that over his morning coffee.

Sure, get on TV and make an announcement. At that point, it will be impossible to reverse even if anyone wanted to.
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MarzEz Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
So, we know how many children Obama is responsible for the death of.
Now, if you'll please, can you please find me stats for every other president of the United States, and then give me average figures for each, in units of deaths per year.
I think you'll find that, if organized per children killed per year, Obama would probably be fairly far down the list.
And if you wish to prove me wrong, please go ahead. All I ask is that you cite your sources.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Photographer
| So, we know how many children Obama is responsible for the death of.

Not really, this is only drone strikes.

| Now, if you'll please, can you please find me stats for every other president of the United States

No.

| And if you wish to prove me wrong

You made a claim and you did not "cite your sources", yet you want me to prove you wrong and you instruct me to cite mine? Hohoho.
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MarzEz Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
| You made a claim and you did not "cite your sources", yet you want me to prove you wrong and you instruct me to cite mine? Hohoho.

Actually, I never made a claim. I simply said that if you were to do the research, and give your own findings some context, you would probably find that Obama is not the worst case.

Context matters. It matters a lot. Compared to a Lamborghini Reventon, a Porsche 911 isn't too great. But compared to a 1995 Nissan Pintara, a Porsche 911 is absolutely bloody brilliant.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Professional Photographer
If you didn't make any claims in your post, then there is no point for me to reply to it.

I never said Obama was the worst.
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FennecFoxy Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Any president could have done that. I don't like Obama either, but be fair.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Professional Photographer
So you are saying killing children is a requirement to be the US president?
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Scarletfrost Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Killing children is an inevitable side effect of fighting in populated areas.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Photographer
Fighting useless war is the inevitable effect of what, then?
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Scarletfrost Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Over-population of the earth. You get too many people too comfortable in one place and violence breaks out. Then again, you get any number of people together and put them under lots of stress and violence breaks out. It doesn't matter if you're in the middle east or a mining camp in Alaska. Human nature is fundamentally violent and selfish.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Photographer
Speak for yourself :)
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Scarletfrost Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I do. And I can't help but notice the antagonistic way you jump down people's virtual throats about the issue. Violence takes on many forms, and many delude themselves in thinking their version is right.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Professional Photographer
| I do.

Great. Most people I know (including myself) are not violent or evil or whatever you consider to be the human norm.

| notice the antagonistic way you jump down people's virtual throats about the issue

I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone like most religious people do on their children.
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mailn6 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student General Artist
True.
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SgLins Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'm not questioning AT ALL, but tell me your opinion. What should he do about it? I was just trying to think about something and don't know, seriously :P
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ShortyTheDireWolf Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Bastard...
What the fuck is wrong with the U.S? Why the fuck did people vote for this fuck up!! One good thing can't make up for all the wrong he has done! What the hell!
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roj Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
Why? The answer is self-evident:

The alternative was FAR worse.
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Scarletfrost Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree. I really don't think anyone in their right mind and especially someone who lives or dies by their popularity rating would risk something this tragic unless they were certain something far worse would happen if they didn't.
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Tortured-Transmetal Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012
^^^ This guy is awesome.
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roj Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012
Awesomely myopic and biased, indeed.
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ShortyTheDireWolf Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
-Sigh-
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roj Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
Indeed.
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Goldentongued Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
Tell me, please, your source for this. Is it the United States Department of Defense? Red Cross/Crescent? The UN, WHO, Amnesty International? I am wondering who has been able to compile so specific a list, from the chaos of conflict, and is willing to release it to the public.
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roj Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
At the end of the day, this lad is a bitter troll attempting to be controversial and get his five minutes of fame. Unfortunately, he rarely if ever has any documented fact to back his positions. I'm a pretty liberal thinker but I don't do lunatic fringe or tin hat.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012  Professional Photographer
Hm, I've always thought that most points you've made are reasonable. Did you just call me a "bitter troll" with the point of this post being "five minutes of fame"?

| Unfortunately, he rarely if ever has any documented fact to back his positions

Excuse me? What is non-factual about this post. You can verify the names, and dates they are public record.
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roj Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
Yes I did - because your biases are derailing any positive points your arguments could have. There are lies, damned lies and statistics. Presenting the facts with a bias so obviously skewed doesn't make a point; it only serves to come across as a mindless rant. There are a great many people who criticize. There are a very few who have anything approaching a viable alternative or solution. Which are you?
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Professional Photographer
| because your biases are derailing any positive points

You don't think it's worth pointing out the fact that Obama has killed ~40 children with drones? How many people you think even heard about that - 10%?

I didn't see 24/7 coverage of that shit on the MSM. You think that's not biased?

| Presenting the facts with a bias so obviously skewed doesn't make a point

Explain the bias.

| There are a very few who have anything approaching a viable alternative or solution

I thought the solution to not killing children with drones was fairly obvious. Stop bombing Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Yemen. Pull the fuck out. Go to war with a declaration of war.
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roj Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012
No I don't think it is. War kills people every day. I don't see you harping on the fact that the Isrealis, the biggest thugs on the planet, kill Palestinian children every day and that their soldiers are told to consider them sub-human. I don't see you harping on the fact that African warring states kill women and children every day warring against each other as well as internally. I don't see you harping on the fact that Muslim extremists cut off the noses of little girls who stand up for their rights as women. All I see is a bitter troll with an axe to grind against Americans smearing them at every turn. All I see is a immature twit rubbing his beliefs and disdain for religion in the faces of everyone who will listen - or won't - via useless polls. As a matter of fact, I could stop the sentence at "immature twit" and leave it at that.

If you're going to present facts, present all of them without picking on one nation or man. In Canada, Stephen Harper, an asshole from the West, is laying waste to the Public Service and costing Canadians jobs, kissing American corporate ass vis a vis ridiculously repressive copyright laws to the point where Europe won't do business with us, engaging in illegal campaigning and dirty tricks in elections (the phone scam posing as Liberals), costing Canadians billions of tax dollars vis shady jet fighter deals, countenancing rape of the environment with exploitation of the Tar Sands and I don't see news coverage about any of this or you jumping up and down about it.

And that's just here at home.

I'll agree that troops should be pulled out of the countries concerned. That would of course mean that WE should pull out too since we're there in a support role (no mention of that either, eh?). But is anyone going to do anything about the rabid wolf that is Israel? Is anyone going to do anything about the repressive Islamic states who treal women like cattle and practice repression in the name of their so-called god? Where's your reporting on that? It's regrettable that 40 children died but the problems I mention affect an entire strata of the world's population (women) and harm millions of people - but the bitter little kid with a hate on for America doesn't mention them, does he...

There's your bias laid bare.

Grow up.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Photographer
| War kills people every day. I don't see you harping on the fact that the Isrealis, the biggest thugs on the planet, kill Palestinian children every day and that their soldiers are told to consider them sub-human.

Are you friends with logic? Red herring. If Israelis kill 1000 children per year, this doesn't make killing 40 over four years OK in any way shape or form.

| I don't see you harping on the fact that African warring states kill women and children every day warring against each other as well as internally.

Do they claim to be the shining beacon of freedom and democracy too? Nah, they're just fucking thugs and well known for it.

| I don't see you harping on the fact that Muslim extremists cut off the noses of little girls who stand up for their rights as women.

What the fuck does that have to do with Obama killing some of these same children with drones? I am universally against killing children.

| All I see is a bitter troll with an axe to grind against Americans smearing them at every turn.

You better put your money where you mouth is and show me where I am smearing Americans in general or STFU. I hate US foreign policy because it's destructive, I have nothing against Americans.

| All I see is a immature twit rubbing his beliefs and disdain for religion in the faces of everyone who will listen - or won't - via useless polls.

Do you have something specific that I said that you consider to be inaccurate, or are you just an ad hominem monkey? Pathetic.

| As a matter of fact, I could stop the sentence at "immature twit" and leave it at that.

Ad hominem.

| If you're going to present facts, present all of them without picking on one nation or man.

Oh, and how does one present ALL facts at once - with an infinite number of words? Please.

| Canada, Stephen Harper, an asshole from the West (WTF does this have anything to with anything), is laying waste to the Public Service and costing Canadians jobs, kissing American corporate ass vis a vis ridiculously repressive copyright laws to the point where Europe won't do business with us, engaging in illegal campaigning and dirty tricks in elections (the phone scam posing as Liberals), costing Canadians billions of tax dollars vis shady jet fighter deals, countenancing rape of the environment with exploitation of the Tar Sands and I don't see news coverage about any of this or you jumping up and down about it.

Sounds like a socialist leaning analysis with some correctly anti-fascist sentiment to me. Has nothing to do with killing children with drones.

| I don't see news coverage about any of this or you jumping up and down about it.

What Canada does is not as important in the global scale of things. The scale of the US hypocrisy is just so much more impressive usually.

| That would of course mean that WE should pull out too since we're there in a support role (no mention of that either, eh?)

Yes, of course they should.

| But is anyone going to do anything about the rabid wolf that is Israel?

I get a sense that you can't focus. Drones. Killing children with drones. That's what the journal is about. Israel's settlement building or whatever else it does is another topic.

| Is anyone going to do anything about the repressive Islamic states who treal women like cattle and practice repression in the name of their so-called god?

LMAO. You have a good idea of what to do about it?

| Where's your reporting on that?

Maybe you should check my previous journals, I love beating up on Islam.

| I mention affect an entire strata of the world's population (women) and harm millions of people - but the bitter little kid with a hate on for America doesn't mention them, does he...

Actually, I typically do. Although I've never written a journal about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I have repeatedly spoke out against Islamic treatment of women or unbelievers, Catholic bans on condoms in Africa, world hunger, etc.

| There's your bias laid bare.

So you think speaking about 40 children killed by drones is biased because I didn't mention just about everything that's significantly wrong with the world? Haha.

| Grow up.

Sadly for some people, old age is not strongly correlated with intelligence or wisdom.
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roj Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
>>If Israelis kill 1000 children per year, this doesn't make killing 40 over four years OK in any way shape or form.

Correct. However I don't see yiou taking them to task for it. I just see you slamming your favorite whipping boy: the Americans.

Grow up.

>>Do they claim to be the shining beacon of freedom and democracy too? Nah, they're just fucking thugs and well known for it.

Ah, so it's OK to be a thug as long as you're up front about it. Gotcha.

Did I mention "grow up"?

>>What the fuck does that have to do with Obama killing some of these same children with drones? I am universally against killing children.

Only that children are being killed, something you appear to be angered by, But Only If Americans Do It.

And we're back to "grow up".

>>You better put your money where you mouth is and show me where I am smearing Americans in general

Ah, but I have - in spades - to the point that other people in the thread have noticed. But then again, there are nonse so blind as those who will not see or who steadfastly refuse to...

...grow up.

>>Do you have something specific that I said that you consider to be inaccurate, or are you just an ad hominem monkey?

You're not inaccurate in your facts, just horribly biased and skeweed in your use of them. You'd make a fabulous politician. I'm also always amused when those who can't face their own biases invariably accuse those who point them out of ad hominem attacks. It'sd a sure sign that they need to...

...grow up.

>>Oh, and how does one present ALL facts at once - with an infinite number of words? Please.

Well, that certainly isn't a problem you have since you're only interested in presenting those facts which suit you and which you can skew to bolster your hate attacks. Perhaps you should grow up?

>>What Canada does is not as important in the global scale of things. The scale of the US hypocrisy is just so much more impressive usually.

Finally a point I can potentially agree with. It took you long enough. perhaps there's hope that you'll...

...grow up.

>>Yes, of course they should.

Another agreeable point. The hope grows...

>>That's what the journal is about.

Ah, if only that were true. I see it more as a convenient platform to bash the Americans. Again. Which of course you never EVER do...

>>You have a good idea of what to do about it?

Sadly no. If an outside power interferes without an invitation, it's meddling in sovereign affairs in which that power has no business. Or at least that's how the rules play out currently. If someone marches in arbitrarily, it often ends badly.

>>Although I've never written a journal about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I have repeatedly spoke out against Islamic treatment of women or unbelievers, Catholic bans on condoms in Africa, world hunger, etc.

And we're in complete agreement there. The current Pope is an affront to civilized rational thought and has put the Catholics back at least four hundred years. It's no wonder they're leaving in droves.

But I digress.

>>Sadly for some people, old age is not strongly correlated with intelligence or wisdom.

Indeed, this is quite true. It is sadly equally true that the arrogance, myopism and simplistic "rationales" of youth do even more damage, especially since it is often accompanied by the hotheaqdedness and misdirected wild energy that accompanies that growing phase.
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roj Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
...and trust me, he's killed far less than the Republican ravening and warmongering wolves would have. They have no social conscience and got into a war solely for profit and the protection of avaricious family friends (the Saudis). War is hell but those who start it unjustly for greed and political gain are criminal and wholly evil.
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IvanAndreevich Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012  Professional Photographer
Killing less than somebody else doesn't make it right.
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roj Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
No it doesn't - but mindless criticism is at best inane.
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mailn6 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student General Artist
Thank you.
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SheltonW Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Amen
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